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Feedback Before Grades? Research and Practice…
Andrew Watson
Andrew Watson

The plan sounds so simple:

Students practice a new skill.

Teachers give them feedback.

Using that feedback, students improve.

What could be more straightforward?

Alas, if you’ve spent more than a minute teaching, you spot a problem with the formula above: students often ignore the feedback.

For example: I write SO MUCH USEFUL GUIDANCE in the margins of my students’ papers. And yet, as far as I can tell, they just don’t spend much time reading all those helpful comments.

They tell me they want to learn. They tell me they want higher grades. They could accomplish both missions if they would just read the feedback. Oy.

It Just Might Work…

A few years ago, I devised a strategy to combat this feedback problem.

First: I wrote comments on papers as I had before.

Second: I summarized the three most important concerns at the end of the paper.

(For example:

“Be sure to focus the topic sentence on abstract nouns.

Give specific examples for all your main arguments.

Look out for danging modifiers.”)

Third: I returned the paper with the comments BUT WITHOUT A GRADE.

Fourth: Students reviewed the comments, and wrote up their own summary. (This step ensured that students read and understood the comments.)

Fifth: Then — and only then — did the students get their grades.

My thinking went like this:

My students were REALLY motivated to know their grades. If I could harness that motivation correctly, then I could get them to review and learn from the comments I spent so much time writing.

They would get the grades and learn at the same time. Brilliant! (Well, potentially brililant…)

So: Did It Work?

I did not think to collect data at the time, so I don’t have a scientific answer to the obvious question — “did this strategy work?”

But I have a few strong impressions.

First: the students were REALLY BAD at summarizing my comments, and did not like the process.

On the one hand, this conclusion suprised me. After all: I had summarized the comments for them (“topic sentences, examples, dangling modifiers”).

All they had to do was spot and re-summarize my own summary.

On the other hand, this conclusion made sense. No wonder my students hadn’t responded effectively to my comments — they didn’t even want to read them!

Second: my strategy either really helped, or made no difference.

In some cases, students quickly took advantage of this system. I could tell because my comments were different on each paper.

If the first paper asked them to focus on “abstract nouns in the topic sentence,” the next paper clearly met that goal.

Arrows pointed to the center of a target

On the second paper, my feedback focused on — say — transitional language between examples.

Because my comment summary changed from paper to paper, I could tell the system was working for these students.

I must admit, however, that not all students responded this way. Some submitted the feedback summaries as I required — and continued to make the same old mistakes.

A partial victory — but not a complete one.

So: SHOULD It Work?

My experience suggests that my witholding the grade prompted some (but not all) students to focus more on feedback.

Do we have any reseach supporting this strategy?

Sure enough, we do.

A study from 2021 shows that students who get feedback before grades improve more than those who get grades before feedback.

The researchers here, in fact, consider some of the underlying mechanisms as well.

They note that “excessive focus on grades can interfere with the students’ ability to self-assess,” and that, “in the case of [grade] disappointment…students may decide not to engage with the written comments at all.”

These truths suggest the obvious solution: postpone grades until students have time to process the feedback.

In this case college students didn’t need to go through all the extra steps that I created; that is, they didn’t summarize the feedback their teachers wrote.

Simply having extra time to peruse the feedback — before they got the grades — proved a significant benefit.

Closing Thoughts

First: I note that both my own mini-experiment and this published study took place with older, academically successful students. I don’t know of research looking at a broader, more representative sample.

Second: reasonable people might ask, “if grades distract from feedback, can’t you just do away with the grade thing altogether?”

Some schools might make that decision — and plenty of people are advocating for it. But: individual teachers almost certainly can’t stop assigning grades. So, this strategy can help one teacher at a time.

Third: I first read about this study when Jade Pearce (X-Twitter handle: @PearceMrs) wrote about it. If you’re interested in this kind of research, you should ABSOLUTELY follow her there.

TLDR: To help students focus on learning, postpone grades until they have time to review feedback.

This strategy might not help everyone, but it provides clear benefits for many.

 

 


 

Kuepper-Tetzel, C. E., & Gardner, P. L. (2021). Effects of temporary mark withholding on academic performance. Psychology Learning & Teaching20(3), 405-419.

Exploring the Nuances of Peer Feedback
Andrew Watson
Andrew Watson

Over at the Learning Scientists, Katie Marquardt digs into peer feedback.

On the one hand, we can see many reasons that peer feedback would be beneficial.

It means that students are doing more of the work than we are–and, as we know, “the one who does the work does the learning.”

And, the opportunity to give peer feedback provides students with the responsibility and autonomy we want to be teaching.

On the other hand, those benefits don’t always materialize.

As Marquandt writes:

my colleagues express skepticism about peer review, because of the poor quality of feedback students sometimes give each other, and the challenges of managing peer review activities in the lessons.

This is valid criticism, and I have seen these shortcomings in my own lessons, particularly when working with English language learners who may lack the writing skills to give their classmates good feedback.

If we can imagine good and bad sides to peer feedback, what does the research say?

What The Research Says…

If you read this blog often, you can predict what I’m about to say: we need a narrower question.

Surely the effects of peer feedback depend substantially on the peers, and the feedback.

Marquandt’s post does a great job exploring lots of specific research examples. For that reason, I encourage you to read it. You should be asking: which of the studies she describes best matches your students, and your methodology for fostering peer feedback.

To take a compelling example: one study found that students who gave feedback improved their own second drafts of an assignment more than those who received feedback.

Crucially, this finding held true for the students who “commented more on the strength of macro-meaning and the weakness of micro-meaning” of the drafts they reviewed.

To decide whether or not this study applies to you, you’ll need to know what “micro-meaning” and “macro-meaning” actually mean.

And, you’ll have to decide if research done with college physics students writing up lab reports might reasonably apply to your students.

In other words: this topic is a great example of a broader principle. When we look for research to guide our teaching, we should be sure that the people and the specific methods in the research helpfully match our teaching work and our teaching world.

True/False: Grades Motivate Students to Study Better?
Andrew Watson
Andrew Watson

The following story is true. (The names have been left out because I’ve forgotten them.)

grades and motivation

When I attended graduate school in education, I handed in my first essay with some trepidation, and lots of excitement.

Like my classmates, I had worked hard to wrestle with the topic: how best to critique a study’s methodology. Like my classmates, I wanted to know how I could do better.

When we got those essays back, our TAs had written a number at the end. There were, quite literally, no other marks on the paper — much less helpful comments. (I’m an English teacher, so when I say “literally” I mean “literally.”)

We then sat through a slide show in which the head TA explained the most common errors, and what percentage of us had made each one.

Here’s the kicker. The head TA then said:

“Your TAs are very busy, and we couldn’t possibly meet with all of you. So, to be fair, we won’t discuss these essays individually with any of you.”

So, in a SCHOOL OF EDUCATION, I got exactly NO individual feedback on my essay. I have little idea what I did right or wrong. And, I have no idea whatsoever how I could have done better.

How’s that for teaching excellence?

Grades and Motivation: Today’s Research

My point with this story is: for me, the experience of getting a grade without feedback was a) demotivating, b) infuriating, and c) useless.

If you’d like to rethink your school’s grading strategy, my own experience would point you in a particular direction.

However: you’re not reading this blog to get anecdotes. If you’re in Learning and the Brain world, you’re interested in science. What does research tell us about grades and motivation?

A recent study on “The Impact of Grades on Student Motivation” has been getting some Twitter love.

The researchers surveyed students at a college that has grades only, a different college that offers narrative feedback only, and two colleges that use both. They also interviewed students at one of the “hybrid” colleges.

What did they find?

They didn’t pull any punches:

“Grades did not enhance academic motivation.”

“Grades promoted anxiety, a sense of hopelessness, social comparison, as well as a fear of failure.”

“In contrast, narrative evaluations supported basic psychological needs and enhanced motivation.”

Briefly: grades demotivate, while narrative feedback helpfully focuses students on useful strategies for improvement.

Certainly these conclusions align with my own grad-school experience.

Not So Fast

Despite these emphatic conclusions, and despite the Twitter love, teachers who want to do away with grades should not, in my view, rely too heavily on this study.

Here’s why:

First: unless you teach in a college or university, research with these students might not apply to your students. Motivation for 2nd and 3rd graders might work quite differently than motivation for 23-year-olds.

Second: most college and university students, unlike most K-12 students, have some choices about the schools the attend and the classes they take.

In other words: students with higher degrees of academic motivation might be choosing colleges and courses with narrative feedback instead of grades.

It’s not clear if their level of motivation results from or causes their choice of college. Or, perhaps, both.

(To be clear, the researchers acknowledge this concern.)

Third: in my experience, most K-12 teachers combine letter or number grades with specific feedback. Unlike my TAs, who gave me a number without guidance, teachers often provide both a number and specific guidance.

Fourth: the study includes a number of troubling quirks.

The interview portion of the study includes thirteen students. It is, ahem, unusual to draw strong conclusions from interviews with 13 people.

The interviewer was a student who already knew some of the interviewees. Their prior relationship might well influence their answers to the interview questions.

More than any study I’ve read, this one includes an overtly political and economic perspective. Research like this typically eschews a strong political stance, and its presence here is at odds with research norms. (To be clear: researchers have political opinions. It’s just very strange to see them in print.)

Given these concerns — big and small — we should look elsewhere for research on grades and motivation to guide our schools and our own practice.

Earlier Thoughts

We have, of course, often written about grades and motivation here on the blog. For example:

In this article, Doug Lemov argues that — although imperfect — grades are the best way to ensure that scare resources aren’t given entirely to well-connected people.

In this article, we look at the Mastery Transcript movement: a strategy to provide lots of meaningful feedback without the tyranny of grades and transcripts.

Your thoughts on grades and grading are welcome: please share your experience in the comments.